[Gluster-Maintainers] [Gluster-users] Proposal to mark few features as Deprecated / SunSet from Version 5.0
Jim Kinney
jim.kinney at gmail.com
Tue Mar 19 16:06:17 UTC 2019
Native mount issue with multiple clients (centos7 glusterfs 3.12).
Seems to hit python 2.7 and 3+. User tries to open file(s) for write on
long process and system eventually times out.
Switching to NFS stops the error.
No bug notice yet. Too many pans on the fire :-(
On Tue, 2019-03-19 at 18:42 +0530, Amar Tumballi Suryanarayan wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:21 PM Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Issues with glusterfs fuse mounts cause issues with python file
> > open for write. We have to use nfs to avoid this.
> >
> > Really want to see better back-end tools to facilitate cleaning up
> > of glusterfs failures. If system is going to use hard linked ID,
> > need a mapping of id to file to fix things. That option is now on
> > for all exports. It should be the default If a host is down and
> > users delete files by the thousands, gluster _never_ catches up.
> > Finding path names for ids across even a 40TB mount, much less the
> > 200+TB one, is a slow process. A network outage of 2 minutes and
> > one system didn't get the call to recursively delete several dozen
> > directories each with several thousand files.
> >
> >
>
> Are you talking about some issues in geo-replication module or some
> other application using native mount? Happy to take the discussion
> forward about these issues.
> Are there any bugs open on this?
> Thanks,Amar
> > nfsOn March 19, 2019 8:09:01 AM EDT, Hans Henrik Happe <
> > happe at nbi.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Looking into something else I fell over this proposal. Being
> > > a
> > > shop that are going into "Leaving GlusterFS" mode, I
> > > thought I
> > > would give my two cents.
> > >
> > >
> > > While being partially an HPC shop with a few Lustre
> > > filesystems,
> > > we chose GlusterFS for an archiving solution (2-3 PB),
> > > because we
> > > could find files in the underlying ZFS filesystems if
> > > GlusterFS
> > > went sour.
> > > We have used the access to the underlying files plenty,
> > > because
> > > of the continuous instability of GlusterFS'. Meanwhile,
> > > Lustre
> > > have been almost effortless to run and mainly for that
> > > reason we
> > > are planning to move away from GlusterFS.
> > > Reading this proposal kind of underlined that "Leaving
> > > GluserFS"
> > > is the right thing to do. While I never understood why
> > > GlusterFS
> > > has been in feature crazy mode instead of stabilizing mode,
> > > taking
> > > away crucial features I don't get. With RoCE, RDMA is
> > > getting
> > > mainstream. Quotas are very useful, even though the current
> > > implementation are not perfect. Tiering also makes so much
> > > sense,
> > > but, for large files, not on a per-file level.
> > > To be honest we only use quotas. We got scared of trying out
> > > new
> > > performance features that potentially would open up a new
> > > back of
> > > issues.
> > > Sorry for being such a buzzkill. I really wanted it to be
> > > different.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Hans Henrik
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19/07/2018 08.56, Amar Tumballi
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > Over last 12 years of Gluster, we have developed many
> > > > features, and continue to support most of it till now. But
> > > > along the way, we have figured out better methods of doing
> > > > things. Also we are not actively maintaining some of these
> > > > features.
> > > > We are now thinking of cleaning up some of these
> > > > ‘unsupported’ features, and mark them as ‘SunSet’ (i.e., would
> > > > be totally taken out of codebase in following releases) in next
> > > > upcoming release, v5.0. The release notes will provide options
> > > > for smoothly migrating to the supported configurations.
> > > > If you are using any of these features, do let us
> > > > know, so that we can help you with ‘migration’.. Also, we are
> > > > happy to guide new developers to work on those components which
> > > > are not actively being maintained by current set of developers.
> > > > List of features hitting sunset:
> > > > ‘cluster/stripe’ translator:
> > > > This translator was developed very early in the
> > > > evolution of GlusterFS, and addressed one of the very common
> > > > question of Distributed FS, which is “What happens if one of my
> > > > file is bigger than the available brick. Say, I have 2 TB hard
> > > > drive, exported in glusterfs, my file is 3 TB”. While it solved
> > > > the purpose, it was very hard to handle failure scenarios, and
> > > > give a real good experience to our users with this feature.
> > > > Over the time, Gluster solved the problem with it’s ‘Shard’
> > > > feature, which solves the problem in much better way, and
> > > > provides much better solution with existing well supported
> > > > stack. Hence the proposal for Deprecation.
> > > > If you are using this feature, then do write to us,
> > > > as it needs a proper migration from existing volume to a new
> > > > full supported volume type before you upgrade.
> > > > ‘storage/bd’ translator:
> > > > This feature got into the code base 5 years back with
> > > > this patch[1]. Plan was to use a block device directly as a
> > > > brick, which would help to handle disk-image storage much
> > > > easily in glusterfs.
> > > > As the feature is not getting more contribution, and
> > > > we are not seeing any user traction on this, would like to
> > > > propose for Deprecation.
> > > > If you are using the feature, plan to move to a
> > > > supported gluster volume configuration, and have your setup
> > > > ‘supported’ before upgrading to your new gluster version.
> > > > ‘RDMA’ transport support:
> > > > Gluster started supporting RDMA while ib-verbs was
> > > > still new, and very high-end infra around that time were using
> > > > Infiniband. Engineers did work with Mellanox, and got the
> > > > technology into GlusterFS for better data migration, data copy.
> > > > While current day kernels support very good speed with IPoIB
> > > > module itself, and there are no more bandwidth for experts in
> > > > these area to maintain the feature, we recommend migrating over
> > > > to TCP (IP based) network for your volume.
> > > > If you are successfully using RDMA transport, do get
> > > > in touch with us to prioritize the migration plan for your
> > > > volume. Plan is to work on this after the release, so by
> > > > version 6.0, we will have a cleaner transport code, which just
> > > > needs to support one type.
> > > > ‘Tiering’ feature
> > > > Gluster’s tiering feature which was planned to be
> > > > providing an option to keep your ‘hot’ data in different
> > > > location than your cold data, so one can get better
> > > > performance. While we saw some users for the feature, it needs
> > > > much more attention to be completely bug free. At the time, we
> > > > are not having any active maintainers for the feature, and
> > > > hence suggesting to take it out of the ‘supported’ tag.
> > > > If you are willing to take it up, and maintain it, do
> > > > let us know, and we are happy to assist you.
> > > > If you are already using tiering feature, before
> > > > upgrading, make sure to do gluster volume tier detach all the
> > > > bricks before upgrading to next release. Also, we recommend you
> > > > to use features like dmcache on your LVM setup to get best
> > > > performance from bricks.
> > > > ‘Quota’
> > > > This is a call out for ‘Quota’ feature, to let you
> > > > all know that it will be ‘no new development’ state. While this
> > > > feature is ‘actively’ in use by many people, the challenges we
> > > > have in accounting mechanisms involved, has made it hard to
> > > > achieve good performance with the feature. Also, the amount of
> > > > extended attribute get/set operations while using the feature
> > > > is not very ideal. Hence we recommend our users to move towards
> > > > setting quota on backend bricks directly (ie, XFS project
> > > > quota), or to use different volumes for different directories
> > > > etc.
> > > > As the feature wouldn’t be deprecated immediately,
> > > > the feature doesn’t need a migration plan when you upgrade to
> > > > newer version, but if you are a new user, we wouldn’t recommend
> > > > setting quota feature. By the release dates, we will be
> > > > publishing our best alternatives guide for gluster’s current
> > > > quota feature.
> > > > Note that if you want to contribute to the feature,
> > > > we have project quota based issue open[2] Happy to get
> > > > contributions, and help in getting a newer approach to Quota.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These are our set of initial features which we
> > > > propose to take out of ‘fully’ supported features. While we are
> > > > in the process of making the user/developer experience of the
> > > > project much better with providing well maintained codebase, we
> > > > may come up with few more set of features which we may possibly
> > > > consider to move out of support, and hence keep watching this
> > > > space.
> > > > [1] - http://review.gluster.org/4809
> > > > [2] - https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/issues/184
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Vijay, Shyam, Amar
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James P. Kinney III
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gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
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