[Gluster-users] Setup for production - which one would you choose?

Benjamin Hudgens bhudgens at photodex.com
Thu Mar 25 10:08:22 UTC 2010 

It seems you missed the point made by many.  Your presentation is rude, snide, and unnecessary.  This list is about user-level assistance for people's specific user-level issues with Gluster.  It isn't really a forum meant for you to make snide comments about folks deployment practices.  Development-stage-or-not your comments were in regards to the simplicities of compiling a package and smacking around someone for suggesting they intended to wait and/or deploy via package.  Deployment practices in large environments is an academic discussion far beyond the scope of this list...

As mentioned previously -- Take the academic discussions offline.

Kind Regards,
Benjamin

-----Original Message-----
From: gluster-users-bounces at gluster.org [mailto:gluster-users-bounces at gluster.org] On Behalf Of Stephan von Krawczynski
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:03 AM
To: Steve
Cc: gluster-users at gluster.org
Subject: Re: [Gluster-users] Setup for production - which one would you choose?

In fact, background for my post is very trivial: glusterfs is really in
development stage. So there is a real difference in using 2.0.9, 3.0.2 or
3.0.3. In fact it might be a difference of go vs no-go in your very special
setup. That's why I judge the comparison to other rpm questions as not valid.
This is not fetchmail where you can use almost any rpm flying around.
And I did not tell to compile your whole setup by hand. I am talking about
glusterfs and using its latest version in favor of using some available rpm
not containing the latest version.
--
Regards,
Stephan


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:19:30 +0100
"Steve" <steeeeeveee at gmx.net> wrote:

> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:01:55 +0100
> > Von: Oliver Hoffmann <oh at dom.de>
> > An: gluster-users at gluster.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Gluster-users] Setup for production - which one would	you	choose?
> 
> > Yep, thanx.
> > 
> > @Stephan: It is not a matter of knowing how use tar and make, but if you 
> > have a bunch of servers than you want to do an apt-get update/upgrade 
> > once in a while without compiling this piece of software on that server 
> > and another one on another server, etc.
> >
> Not only that. On a RPM system (aka Red Hat, SuSE, Mandriva, etc) where you have a support contract, installing packages that are not made by the vendor does void support. So there is a good reason to use by vendor pre-build RPMs.
> 
> A bunch of years ago I have helped a big vendor to virtualize the biggest Linux installation in northern Europe for one of their customers. There where over thousand Red Hat Enterprise Server installed in total. The customer followed ITIL Release To Production. No you could jump up and down about a new release of application XYZ and that you could install it form a self made RPM. The customer does not care. Installing own made RPMS = no support from Red Hat. Now if your business is depended on running systems and ever second downtime can cost you hundreds of € then you don't think twice about installing from source. You just don't do it. It's that easy. Just compare the potential problem (aka: downtime, loss of money, loss of trust from customers, etc) to the potential benefit of a own made RPM then you will quickly realize that it is a "no go".
> 
> Stephan is probably a small shop doing all his stuff by hand. But there are situations where this handicraft stuff is just not the way to go.
> 
> 
> > > It is hard to fully understand what you just wrote.  If you are
> > > suggesting that someone else's personal preferences (or company
> > > objectives) are incorrect or misguided simply because they don't match
> > > your own I'm trying to understand how your last post pertains to the
> > > user forum for Gluster?  There are plenty of reasons to prefer packages
> > > over source installations but that academic conversation is also not
> > > appropriate for this list.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gluster-users-bounces at gluster.org
> > > [mailto:gluster-users-bounces at gluster.org] On Behalf Of Stephan von
> > > Krawczynski
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:37 PM
> > > To: Ian Rogers
> > > Cc: gluster-users at gluster.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Gluster-users] Setup for production - which one would you
> > > choose?
> > >
> > > Ok, guys, honestly: it is allowed to learn (RMS fought for your right to
> > > do so)
> > > :-)
> > > Really rarely in the open source universe you will find a piece of
> > > software
> > > that is as easy to compile and run as glusterfs. All you have to know
> > > yourself
> > > is how to use tar. Then enter the source directory and do "./configure ;
> > > make ;
> > > make install" What exactly is difficult to do? Why would you install
> > > _some_
> > > rpm that is outdated anyways (be it 2.0.9 or 3.0.2)?
> > > Please don't tell you configure and drive LAMP but can't build
> > > glusterfs.
> > > The docs for 5 apache config options are longer than the whole
> > > glusterfs-source...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Stephan
> > >
> > > PS: yes, I know it's the user-list. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:14:32 +0000
> > > Ian Rogers <ian.rogers at contactclean.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > >> I've just done part one of a writeup of my EC2 gluster LAMP
> > >>     
> > > installation 
> > >   
> > >> at 
> > >>
> > >>     
> > > http://www.sirgroane.net/2010/03/distributed-file-system-on-amazon-ec2/ 
> > >   
> > >> - may or may not be useful to you :-)
> > >>
> > >> Ian
> > >>
> > >> On 24/03/2010 17:09, Oliver Hoffmann wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>> Yes, that's an idea. Thanx. That will be important for all the
> > >>>       
> > > debian
> > >   
> > >>> clients, mostly lenny.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think waiting and testing a month is quite ok though.
> > >>>
> > >>>    
> > >>>       
> > >>>> To have glusterfs 3.0.3 on ubuntu 9.10 you can also just install
> > >>>>         
> > > the
> > >   
> > >>>> debian package for gluster 3.0.3 with dpkg -i.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/glusterfs
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But then 10.04 is only a month away, so depends how much of a rush
> > >>>> your in!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wednesday 24 Mar 2010 16:45:40 Oliver Hoffmann wrote:
> > >>>>      
> > >>>>         
> > >>>>> Haha, there are loads of Linux distributions out there and even
> > >>>>> strange OSes like *BSD or windooze or what's it called? ;-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I tried out Gentoo a while ago but I droped it because all the
> > >>>>> compiling took way too long. The big plus here is the big minus on
> > >>>>> debian like systems. The current Ubuntu 9.10 for example has
> > >>>>> glusterfs 2.0.9, period. If you want to have 3.0.2 then you have
> > >>>>>           
> > > to
> > >   
> > >>>>> wait for Ubuntu 10.04 or you compile it.
> > >>>>> But now that we have (almost) 10.04 with 3.0.2 I'll take this way.
> > >>>>> Having such a system up and running on recent hardware is a matter
> > >>>>> of maybe 10 or 20 minutes.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>        
> > >>>>>           
> > >>>>>> On 22/03/2010 17:59, Oliver Hoffmann wrote:
> > >>>>>>          
> > >>>>>>             
> > >>>>>>> Hi all,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I just made some tests on two old machines using Ubuntu 10.4
> > >>>>>>> (server i386) with fuse-2.7.4glfs11 and glusterfs-3.0.3. At a
> > >>>>>>> first glance it seems to be OK.
> > >>>>>>> The next step is deploying a system which could be used for
> > >>>>>>> production. What would you suggest? Ubuntu 10.4 (server 64bit)
> > >>>>>>> is my first choice because of LTS. Whatsoever, I think it is
> > >>>>>>> more the version of glusterfs which makes it stable or not,
> > >>>>>>> isn't it? In the end I'd like to have a distributed&
> > >>>>>>> replicated storage which provides data for a bunch of
> > >>>>>>> (virtualized) LAMPS.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> TIA for your recommendations!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>            
> > >>>>>>>               
> > >>>>>> I'm intrigued.  I had not realised that there were other options
> > >>>>>> than Gentoo for use on a server?!  (Bang up to date, flexible
> > >>>>>> configuration and strong support of various virtualisation
> > >>>>>> solutions.  Slight negative in update speeds, but can be
> > >>>>>> mitigated by using a binary package cache)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Will try out those new fangled options you suggested above, but
> > >>>>>>             
> > > in
> > >   
> > >>>>>> the meantime have a look at Gentoo (at least if you are fairly
> > >>>>>> confident with your linux skills).  Big plug for linux-vservers
> > >>>>>> also, especially in combination with some custom server profiles
> > >>>>>> to define required software versions and options
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Good luck
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ed W
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