<div dir="ltr">Hi Markus,<div><br></div><div>Looks like your email got bounced as you were not member of the list. I got the email as I had you in Cc earlier (through the github communications).</div><div><br></div><div>Forwarding it to the list so everyone gets your email.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, Yaniv, about the 'name' <b>Odd Fixes, </b>I am not a big fan either, but out of the existing options in MAINTAINERS file, that was best suited. If we have to change the name, <b>'Maintained, but no enhancements' </b> would give very clear messaging IMO. Happy to hear what people think.</div><div><br></div><div>-Amar </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Markus Seywald</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:max@beeksfx.com">max@beeksfx.com</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:48 PM<br>Subject: RE: Proposal to change gNFS status<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Everyone,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Just an Feedback from 1 User End.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We used GNFS with NFS3 now since some years. The 3.12.15 have some Bugs,… but it’s running most stable in comparisons to older Versions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">NFS-Ganesha we where not able to get it stable since Years. NFS-Ganesha is very instable once its getting used with VMware (6.0/6.7). Instable in such Way making it unusable. Even 2.8.x.
The Idea of using NFS4.1 with Vmware was an great Mind,……. But never worked so far. Vmware just support “Session Trunking” and not pnfs in general. They don’t support using non Vsan, binded to open-source community. I’am not sure how other Hypervisor works
with,……<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also I think there is a big Complication once it comes to Issues once 2 Open-Source Products are in use. Once an Issue appears and not clear what ever End is the root Cause,…………… could
be an extensive Process to get a Fix for.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So looking forward, on my End I really would appreciate if GNFS would be as a Default Package part of Gluster. As it’s the most simple Way providing Peoples an easy NFS Solution. Glusterfs
as a Client is not supported or available for each OS. It would be good providing “Fixes” once there are Bugs with newer Glusterfs Versions with GNFS in use (like #764,#765).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also I would be more then happy if Devs would also deep Focus support Matrix with Hypervisors and to make it stable for most common ones like Vmware. May Hyper-V/KVM as well. (nfs-ganesha,
gluster,..)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Reason why I’am thinking this Way from User-End is following:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Markets are moving very very fast. Everything need to get more stable, more efficient and flexible with the tiniest Effort possible. This means as well based on Costs > Reason why Open-Source
getting more and more interesting in Total. Changing Products causing opposite Situation. Biggest Kickback is once Products getting changed. Leading to Risks Use Cases not working anymore or if lots Bugs/Issues arise. That can happen with Fully Payed Products
as well > but there is then a big Support Channel behind.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Top Leader in Virtualization Sector also focusing Kubernetes and combining Stacks for easier usages.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So I think it would be really really good if gluster and NFS-ganesha getting also fully adopted for the Virtualization Solutions. As this World is changing more and more into this
Layers. And more Activities into this Direction we see in the Future.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I understand this is may just some Words from 1 user,…. But may some others thinking Similar.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Appreciated and Thx for Reading.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Max<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Amar Tumballi <<a href="mailto:amarts@gmail.com" target="_blank">amarts@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Donnerstag, 21. November 2019 11:31<br>
<b>To:</b> GlusterFS Maintainers <<a href="mailto:maintainers@gluster.org" target="_blank">maintainers@gluster.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gluster Devel <<a href="mailto:gluster-devel@gluster.org" target="_blank">gluster-devel@gluster.org</a>>; Gluster users maillist <<a href="mailto:Gluster-users@gluster.org" target="_blank">Gluster-users@gluster.org</a>>; xiechanglong.d <<a href="mailto:xiechanglong.d@gmail.com" target="_blank">xiechanglong.d@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Proposal to change gNFS status<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As per the discussion on </span><a href="https://review.gluster.org/23645" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://review.gluster.org/23645</span></a><span lang="EN-US">, recently we changed the status of gNFS (gluster's native NFSv3
support) feature to 'Depricated / Orphan' state. (ref: </span><a href="https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/blob/master/MAINTAINERS#L185..L189" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/blob/master/MAINTAINERS#L185..L189</span></a><span lang="EN-US">).
With this email, I am proposing to change the status again to 'Odd Fixes' (ref: </span><a href="https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/blob/master/MAINTAINERS#L22" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/blob/master/MAINTAINERS#L22</span></a><span lang="EN-US">) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I understand the current maintainers are not able to focus on maintaining it as the focus of the project, as earlier described, is keeping NFS-Ganesha based integration with glusterfs. But, I am volunteering along with
Xie Changlong (currently working at Chinamobile), to keep the feature running as it used to in previous versions. Hence the status of 'Odd Fixes'. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Before sending the patch to make these changes, I am proposing it here now, as gNFS is not even shipped with latest glusterfs-7.0 releases. I have heard from some users that it was working great for them with earlier
releases, as all they wanted was NFS v3 support, and not much of features from gNFS. Also note that, even though the packages are not built, none of the regression tests using gNFS are stopped with latest master, so it is working same from at least last 2
years. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I request the package maintainers to please add '--with gnfs' (or --enable-gnfs) back to their release script through this email, so those users wanting to use gNFS happily can continue to use it. Also points to users/admins
is that, the status is 'Odd Fixes', so don't expect any 'enhancements' on the features provided by gNFS.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Happy to hear feedback, if any.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Amar<u></u><u></u></p>
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